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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by Lazarus on 26th September 2011, 5:38 pm

Wonder how difficult it would be to get spectra. And whether there's a gas tail like HD 209458b.

Maybe the remnant of a more massive gas giant planet that's been eroded down?

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by tommi59 on 27th September 2011, 9:50 am

Low density similar to gj 1214 b??it is-ridiculous.It iseems to be weird even with lower mass assumed,density is still over 4.0g/cm3.Obvious this planet is remnant of bigger uranus like world with even more than 1000 km deep ocean of water

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Post by Stalker on 9th October 2011, 8:41 am

It's strange: the Spitzer press release talk about a density similar to GJ 1214b, but this paper, released the same day talk about a density of 5.882±0.728 or 4.173 ± 0.602...

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1106/1106.1152v2.pdf

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Post by Sirius_Alpha on 9th October 2011, 8:56 am

That paper uses the conclusions from Winn et al's original paper here which is based off the original interpretation of the MOST data before they made corrections as described here.

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Post by Stalker on 9th October 2011, 11:07 am

Problem is that masses pointed out in the article and in the release differ. What would mean that job made with Spitzer doesn't take into account the characteristics of the star of the article.

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by tommi59 on 9th October 2011, 11:32 am

Density similar to gj 1214 b? it sounds like neptune is similar to earth

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Post by Stalker on 9th October 2011, 1:27 pm

and i cannot find the paper of the Spitzer release

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by Sirius_Alpha on 9th October 2011, 1:34 pm

Sirius_Alpha wrote:That paper uses the conclusions from Winn et al's original paper here which is based off the original interpretation of the MOST data before they made corrections as described here.

Looking closer at the press release and papers, this doesn't seem to be the case. My mistake.
I'm not sure what's going on. It looks like sloppy reporting. I think that since the two planets are both too low in density to be solid super-Earths without envelopes, they're grouping 55 Cnc e and GJ 1214 b in the same category. But I think we all agree that GJ 1214 b is far less dense than 55 Cnc e.

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by tommi59 on 9th October 2011, 3:50 pm

I understand because still contain some water but is almost 3 times more dense than gj 1214 but anyway is neverthelles remnant of bigger body.I am interested in super earth enough far to be beyond mass loss zone

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Post by Stalker on 10th October 2011, 2:49 am

Whit the informations given in the Spitzer press release, we have a density similar to that of the earth

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Post by Lazarus on 10th October 2011, 3:55 am

55 Cnc e is also somewhat more massive than GJ 1214b so there would be more compression. Uncompressed density would probably be a better comparison to do, but harder to figure out.

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by Lazarus on 24th October 2011, 3:15 pm

Improved precision on the radius of the nearby super-Earth 55 Cnc e

Narrowing it down a bit more...

Would be nice to get more RV measurements to pin down the mass better.

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by Edasich on 25th October 2011, 4:22 am

Well with a density of 4.6 g/cc I would think about a steamy watery planet but with a significant percentage of rock and heavy elements. Right?

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Post by AVBursch on 25th October 2011, 4:48 am

Edasich wrote:Well with a density of 4.6 g/cc I would think about a steamy watery planet but with a significant percentage of rock and heavy elements. Right?

Such a planet would be a "hot super-Pluto". Think of this as a bigger and hotter version of Pluto, in other words, a world composed of rock and ice.

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by tommi59 on 25th October 2011, 5:07 am

Remnant of neptune anyway.Neverthelles infrared radius for this planet should be correct radius not in visual light

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by Sirius_Alpha on 8th May 2012, 5:53 pm

Spitzer detection of the secondary eclipse.
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/may/HQ_12-138_Spitzer_Super_Earth.html

The results reveal the planet is likely dark and its sun-facing side is more than 2,000 Kelvin (3,140 degrees Fahrenheit), hot enough to melt metal.

The new information is consistent with a prior theory that 55 Cancri e is a water world: a rocky core surrounded by a layer of water in a "supercritical" state where it is both liquid and gas, and topped by a blanket of steam.

Spitzer discovered the sun-facing side is extremely hot, indicating the planet probably does not have a substantial atmosphere to carry the sun's heat to the unlit side.

Edit, on arXiv now.
Detection of Thermal Emission from a Super-Earth
http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.1766

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Post by Stalker on 9th May 2012, 3:25 am

Dark because of the Rayleigh scattering?

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by Lazarus on 19th June 2012, 2:09 pm

arXiv:1206.3729v1 [astro-ph.EP]: ACME Stellar Spectra. I. Absolutely Calibrated, Mostly Empirical Flux Densities of 55 Cancri and its Transiting Planet

Finds a slightly lower brightness temperature of 1950+260-190 K, still not somewhere I'd like to visit. This is cooler than the prediction of a zero-albedo, zero-redistribution model, but only by 1.4σ.

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by Sirius_Alpha on 28th August 2012, 8:19 pm

Revised mass and density estimate - still consistent with significant fraction of volatiles. 300 additional RV measurements provide no evidence for a sixth planet, but there is a weak signal at 131 days (low power, not statistically significant).
http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.5709

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by Galzi on 29th August 2012, 2:49 pm

Good, 55 Cancri e is the first very well costrained exoplanet in the Earth-Neptune radius range:

Mass: 8.37 ± 0.38 Earth masses
Radius: 2.17 ± 0.1 Earth radius
Mean Density: 4.5 ± 0.2 g/cm³

In my opinion the planet is still more a sort of SuperEarth than a MiniNeptune; its mean density is definitely far closer to the Earth one (5.52 g/cm³) than Neptune one (1.64 g/cm³).

Also interesting to see the ± 30 days uncertainty about the orbital period of 55 Cancri d despite 23 years of data and 663 data points taken.

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by Sirius_Alpha on 29th August 2012, 3:17 pm

Don't forget that for a constant composition, the density does not hold constant with increasing mass. Gravitational compression will increase the density. A 2 Me planet with an Earth-like composition will have a density much higher than that of Earth.

Judging by the M-R diagram below (taken from the paper), we expect 55 Cnc e to have almost half of its mass in the form of volatiles. This qualifies it for a far more Neptune-like composition than an Earth-like composition.


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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by tommi59 on 29th August 2012, 3:26 pm

Assessing planet is very close to the star and experienced very high mass loss I guess Cnc e had at least twice larger radius than it has now

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by tommi59 on 29th August 2012, 3:29 pm

So where is kepler 11 f in this table? beyond the table?


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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by Galzi on 29th August 2012, 4:00 pm

Sirius_Alpha wrote:Don't forget that for a constant composition, the density does not hold constant with increasing mass. Gravitational compression will increase the density. A 2 Me planet with an Earth-like composition will have a density much higher than that of Earth.

Do you know any formula or empirical equation that describes this compression or the rate of increase of density with mass? For example, are super-earths planets like Corot-7b and Kepler 10-b consistent with being earth-like in composition despite having average density 7-8 g/cm³ or their composition is different from the terrestrial one? It will be interesting to put into perspective this mass compression rate.

Sirius_Alpha wrote:Judging by the M-R diagram below (taken from the paper), we expect 55 Cnc e to have almost half of its mass in the form of volatiles. This qualifies it for a far more Neptune-like composition than an Earth-like composition.


Well, if someone were to plot the function of Neptune-like in that graphic, it would be out of view. In this sense 55 Cancri e is nearer to the Earth-like function. Though the extremely high temperatures indeed could turn into volatiles far larger quantity of material, and if the planets is water-rich it will be indeed host an huge steamy atmosphere, which would give it a more Neptune-like nature.

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Re: 55 Cancri e -- Transits detected!!

Post by Galzi on 29th August 2012, 4:01 pm

tommi59 wrote:Assessing planet is very close to the star and experienced very high mass loss I guess Cnc e had at least twice larger radius than it has now

Well, that would be more a planet-loss than high mass loss Very Happy

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