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Planet around Nu Octantis?
In press, but sounds good.
Spectroscopic orbits for K giants β Reticuli and ν Octantis: what is causing a low-amplitude radial velocity resonant perturbation in ν Oct?
Emphasis mine.
Moreover such a planetary object would seems a trojan planet witihin a binary system, am I wrong?
Spectroscopic orbits for K giants β Reticuli and ν Octantis: what is causing a low-amplitude radial velocity resonant perturbation in ν Oct?
New astrometric–spectroscopic orbital solutions for the single-line K-giant binaries β Reticuli (P≈ 5.2 yr, e= 0.3346 ± 0.0004) and ν Octantis (P≈ 2.9 yr, e= 0.2358 ± 0.0003) have been derived based on high-precision spectroscopic radial velocities (RVs) and the Hipparcos astrometry. For the case of ν Oct, the simultaneous solution is particularly robust and an inclination of i= 70.8 ± 0.9° has been derived. This is one of the most precise inclinations yet calculated based on a spectroscopic solution and the Hipparcos astrometry.
We have also discovered low-amplitude periodic behaviour in the residuals of the orbital solution for ν Oct. This RV perturbation has a semi-amplitude of 50 m s−1 and a 418-d period which is coherent over several years. The RV curve of the perturbation is apparently in resonance with that of the binary: every second maximum of the binary coincides with every fifth minimum of the perturbation, hence the periods have the simple ratio 5:2.
The possible causes of such a perturbation are rotational modulation of surface phenomenon, pulsations or an orbiting body. We have assessed these alternatives in terms of the suspected photometric stability (Hp= 3.8981 ± 0.0004) , a lack of evidence of other RV periodicities, no correlation of cross-correlation function bisectors with the residual velocities, no compelling evidence of wavelength dependency for the amplitude or relative phase of the perturbation, our bounds on the rotational period of the primary star and the need for long-lived relatively fixed surface features. The results of these analyses lack consistency with both rotational modulation and pulsations and so imply that a planetary mass is a realistic cause. The planet hypothesis, however, is strongly constrained and challenged by our precise binary orbit. The hypothetical planet 2 Mj would have an orbit (e≈ 0.1, a3≈ 1.2 au) about mid-way between the stars whose periastron distance is only 1.9 au. This orbit, supposedly in resonance with the binary system, appears to be highly unlikely based on current planet formation and orbit-stability expectations.
Without knowing the cause of the perturbation, we cannot be certain if the suspected RV and hence period resonance are merely coincidental or not. Establishing the true cause of the perturbation requires renewed observation of the system, re-assessment of the possible resonance if this is redetected and the acquisition of similar and additional precise diagnostic parameters with respect to each of the possible causative mechanisms.
Emphasis mine.
Moreover such a planetary object would seems a trojan planet witihin a binary system, am I wrong?

Edasich- Brown Dwarf

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Re: Planet around Nu Octantis?
A planet in a 5:2 resonance with a star? That would be very odd. Not a Trojan planet though, that would be a 1:1 resonance.
If I'm working things out correctly from the numbers in the abstract, the mass of Nu Octantis is being taken as 1.5 solar masses, which would give the secondary star roughly 0.6 solar masses. (Using a mass function of 0.0418 solar masses from here)
The Trojan points of the binary star would thus be unstable. (Need a mass ratio m1/m2 exceeding 24.96)
If I'm working things out correctly from the numbers in the abstract, the mass of Nu Octantis is being taken as 1.5 solar masses, which would give the secondary star roughly 0.6 solar masses. (Using a mass function of 0.0418 solar masses from here)
The Trojan points of the binary star would thus be unstable. (Need a mass ratio m1/m2 exceeding 24.96)
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Re: Planet around Nu Octantis?
Listed amongst unconfirmed planets at EPE too
http://exoplanet.eu/star.php?st=HR+8254
http://exoplanet.eu/star.php?st=HR+8254

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ν Oct b ?
Still unconfirmed.
http://exoplanet.eu/planet.php?p1=nu+Oct&p2=b
On the Reality of the Suggested Planet in the ν Octantis System
http://iopscience.iop.org/2041-8205/721/2/L168
http://exoplanet.eu/planet.php?p1=nu+Oct&p2=b
14 Sep. 2010: Eberle & Cuntz (2010) find that the orbit of this planet in the nu Oct binary system is stable only if it is counter-rotating with respect to the stellar orbits.
On the Reality of the Suggested Planet in the ν Octantis System
http://iopscience.iop.org/2041-8205/721/2/L168
The aim of this study is to explore an enigmatic finding about the ν Octantis binary system that indicates the possible existence of a Jupiter-type planet even though the planet seems to be located outside the zone of orbital stability. We perform a detailed analysis of orbital stability based on previous studies that carefully considers the ν Octantis system parameters including their observationally deduced uncertainties. In our analysis, we confront the probability distribution of the parameter space of the system with the requirements of planetary orbital stability. Our results indicate that the suggested planet, if in a prograde orbit with respect to the motion of the binary components, is virtually impossible. However, the estimated probability of existence for a planet in a retrograde orbit is nearly 60%, an estimate that encapsulates the probability distribution of the mass ratio of the stellar components. This estimate increases if a relatively low stellar mass ratio (within the error bars) is assumed. The principal possibility of a planet in a retrograde orbit is also consistent with long-term orbital stability simulations pursued as part of our study. Thus, the existence of the suggested planet in the ν Octantis system constitutes a realistic possibility.
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Re: Planet around Nu Octantis?
Would be weird if true. I guess astrometric determinations are necessary to resolve this issue. Have to wonder whether the other known planets in close binaries are also in retrograde orbits: I heard that there have been measurements made to determine the mutual inclination of gamma Cephei's planetary system.
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Re: Planet around Nu Octantis?
An interesting blog post about ν Oct.
http://cosmicdiary.org/blogs/john_hearnshaw/?p=185
And my attempt at a Celestia rendition.

http://cosmicdiary.org/blogs/john_hearnshaw/?p=185
And my attempt at a Celestia rendition.

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Re: Planet around Nu Octantis?
Leads also to the question of just how this system could have formed the planet: the binary has a separation of about 2.55 AU, which suggests the disc would have been truncated well inside the ice line. Gas giants shouldn't have been able to form there.
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Re: Planet around Nu Octantis?
That would be nice.
This will increase the % for more planets.
Would a planet like this setup that orbits polar survive?
This will increase the % for more planets.
Would a planet like this setup that orbits polar survive?

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